Lucas Bergvall

[Legohamster]

Not sure its throwing toys out the pram, its exercising his right to have control on his future.

Two free transfers and a JPVH signing and everyone's all of a sudden believing we have a strategy nailed down......we may well have, but I think some are right to be skeptical as do the players

I think with the players we've been linked to, we can make a guess it's changed, for the moment, I remain pessimistic of course.

I disagree on Berg, he's asked for a move, after a few games out the side.

Fight your place man

 

[Jurgen the German]

Sorry? The question doesn't make sense to me.
I do have a choice. Yes. I can either sit here and grumble about something which doesn't check all my boxes, or take the overview that overall, RDZ is showing an enormous amount of ambition and being backed.




I would be OK with all except Gray and Tel. At a pinch only Gray's departure would upset me. FWIW we won't be selling Odobert this window will we. Of the other players...I am one of the few Cristian Romero fans here, however between the chemistry he has with the PL and our fanbase, I think it is time to sell. Vuskovic? I've commented already elsewhere, if he doesn't want a good loan, then sell. Gray? Keep! Bergy? Commented already elsewhere, for his benefit and ours, set him free and take the money (providing we are buying who we're connected with). Sarr? Sadly I'd sell because he is not going to be part of RDZ's plans. Radu? Sell. Tel? I'd keep, however if we are serious about signing Gapko, once Odobert is fit I suppose it will be between them as to who stays goes in Jan.



I understand that. Your comfort versus the direction of traffic become the key elements here. If you wholly disagree with De Zerbi's apparent pathway, then I absolutely understand opposing it.



OK. In Jose's case, it was built on a lie from him (I can win with the current squad) and seemingly a lie implied towards him by Levy (that he'd be backed in the fashion he expected). In Conte's case, we're somewhat at the same place, albeit (as I've said before) I thought Conte would walk at the first sign he didn't get exactly what he wanted.

This is not much different. The main difference appears to be that De Zerbi is being unequivocally backed as the ownership have placed themselves somewhat under a barrel. De Zerbi has the club where he (as a manager ) would want them, and understandably we (as a supporter group) are simply not used to this/have trouble believing it.

I think this is a real crossroads for all of us.
We have been used to a model which is youth driven and largely not executed very well. We have let down several very good players and it is poor. We have gambled on a manager who is not especially about development (he is not bad with youth but I'd agree he likes to go for it 'now').
I understand what is happening requires a large amount of belief. At this point, I choose to invest that belief.

I’m genuinely puzzled by the hype around Tel. I’ve only seen a couple of standout goals, but not enough overall evidence to justify the level of praise he receives. In my view, the forward line is a major reason we find ourselves in the current situation. None of them look anything close to world class at this stage, and realistically, all of them are upgradable.

 

[Ace Face]

I specifically remember the Galatasaray game where he humped repeatedly (I was at this one).

Thanks. I can’t imagine what a tough environment that was for any player, let alone an 18yo playing completely out of position against a team of very experienced top professionals!

Was it Mertens he was up against?

 

[Surfless]

I’m genuinely puzzled by the hype around Tel. I’ve only seen a couple of standout goals, but not enough overall evidence to justify the level of praise he receives. In my view, the forward line is a major reason we find ourselves in the current situation. None of them look anything close to world class at this stage, and realistically, all of them are upgradable.

He's been a very popular player on football manager for about four iterations now. I think that has a lot to do with it. Seriously.

 

[thfcsteff]

I’m genuinely puzzled by the hype around Tel. I’ve only seen a couple of standout goals, but not enough overall evidence to justify the level of praise he receives. In my view, the forward line is a major reason we find ourselves in the current situation. None of them look anything close to world class at this stage, and realistically, all of them are upgradable.

Yes. All of them are upgradable. The question I was answering was which young players I'd be prepared to keep. Considering at this point we have other option on the left who is fit, I would absolutely keep Tel for the squad. If we get Savinho, I would still keep Tel and once Odobert is fit, then see which one does best and let go of the other. If we were to sign Gapko and Savinho (highly highly unlikely) then yes, fine, upgrade. I think there's a fine player in Tel, but if we sign ready made quality there, then yes, take the money.

 

[thfcsteff]

He's been a very popular player on football manager for about four iterations now. I think that has a lot to do with it. Seriously.

I will speak for myself. I have heard of the game but never gone close to it in my life. I use my own eyes and my own personal judgement with players, couldn't begin to tell you about FM or FIFA or any of that gonads. Besides watching it, the only other football games I participate in involve an actual ball and people.

 

[Bishop]

Thanks. I can’t imagine what a tough environment that was for any player, let alone an 18yo playing completely out of position against a team of very experienced top professionals!

Was it Mertens he was up against?

Can't remember tbh, I just remembered him getting tormented, think there was a game against Leicester as well where he was playing LB that didn't go to well.

I definetly remember not supporting the idea that he was a better fit than Reguilion at the time, it wasn't a position he performed well in.

 

[SteveAWOL]

I wouldn’t go that far. He exceeded expectations but didn’t run the game or anything close to it. We were backs-against-the-wall and he had a very good game, but it’s easier to play in a low-block for the most part than it is in a really progressive system.

Thus far Bergvall does feel like another Holtby level talent who is full of running and pops up with the occasional goal but as he didn’t come up through the ranks and therefore isn’t “one of our own” then I’m quite content to take the risk of watching him go on to become a world beater elsewhere if we put his transfer fee towards signing players who have already proved that they can improve our first team next season.

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[elltrev]

Back in 2025 - still think he looks so promising for a teenager, more than holding his own physically and technically:

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I remember he was in the top 5-10% of the PL that season for dribbles, progressive carries and tackles (among midfielders).

 

[harr1984]

We do

My fear is we are doing this and putting alot of faith in the club going out getting these targets.

People claiming that some are getting too protective over youth, the same can be laid at the faith being put in tbe club getting these game changers. Tonali, Fernandes and Co are one thing, when You then start going further down the lists that starts to raise other questions on the strategy IMO

People out in Spurs supporter land think we are getting Wharton and Co.....hmmm.

Let's see

Of course you have to wait and see, it's a positive considering how low our stock is that we are even in the conversation for these players and the one reason we are now is because we are ready to offer bigger wages than previously - if they still don't want to come fair enough.

And it's not like we've actually sold Bergvall or anyone yet, we are actually getting players in first (and not just the odd one at the start like previous summer windows, have already signed 3 and put in a big bid for Tonali before we've even accepted a bid for any player)

So if Tonali or whoever doesn't come then we would weigh up who is next on the list and who's gettable knowing we have strengthened before getting rid of players deemed surplus to requirements - rather than scrambling around towards the end of the window buying and selling like we have loved to do for years....

 

[Bullet]

Bergvall is good but his style is to take 6 or 7 touches as he runs forwards with the ball.
DeZerbi wants players to take 1 or 2 touches, as it is faster and harder for defences to track.
Simple as that.
You remember that Marseille video from a few months ago where DeZerbi screams at a player for always taking lots of touches, and tells him to get out.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Bergvall is good but his style is to take 6 or 7 touches as he runs forwards with the ball.
DeZerbi wants players to take 1 or 2 touches, as it is faster and harder for defences to track.
Simple as that.
You remember that Marseille video from a few months ago where DeZerbi screams at a player for always taking lots of touches, and tells him to get out.

That's a good point

 

[SpurMeUp]

£45m is apparently what we want for him, which is fair.

He is promising, but so inconsistent. Could win or lose you the game.

Probably unfair, but something about Bentaleb about him? A real tryer, gives his all. Robust, and wants it so much. In the right hands he could be a huge asset. But currently too inconsistent to start for us. So if someone gets to 45m we should take it and reinvest in first team ready players. Sad tho. He's been amazing at times.

 

[Ace Face]

Thus far Bergvall does feel like another Holtby level talent who is full of running and pops up with the occasional goal but as he didn’t come up through the ranks and therefore isn’t “one of our own” then I’m quite content to take the risk of watching him go on to become a world beater elsewhere if we put his transfer fee towards signing players who have already proved that they can improve our first team next season.

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Good call. You could add the likes of Bentelab and Boateng to that list.

I hope he does go on to have a top-level career but if we move him on for a 20-30 mil profit then he will have to succeed at one of the top, top clubs for us to say we missed out on him.

 

[robp135]

Thinking about this in a similar way to how I’ve always looked at investing.

If we had £30-£40M to spend on a #8 would we buy Lucas Bergvall. He’s had the same level of play and minutes at Everton etc.

I think the answer would be no from almost everyone.