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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

Glenda's Legs said:
He really isn’t.

I think a step back is needed here from everyone (myself included) as things are getting personal.
Things we all agree on : abuse of children is beyond the pale; abuse of girls and women of any age is beyond the pale; abuse of girls/women by Pakistani-led grooming gangs is beyond the pale; abuse of girls/women by any nationality/religion is beyond the pale;
Why are we even “debating” this?
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Because people want to have a conversation about why that’s happening and that can get uncomfortable.
 
robp135 said:
I don’t know the first part to be the case. I’d need to see some sort of breakdown and even then crime data paticuarly as it relates to sexual abuse is notoriously flawed. They released a report saying the opposite of what you agreed to about grooming gangs so we’re both in agreement there.

You also cant attribute behavior to the culture of a majority racial group in the same way you can to minority groups. White people as the majority in the UK, US, West in general are much more internally diverse than minority groups in particular 1st & 2nd generation immigrants.

Whether it’s race, religion or nationality they have a more cohesive shared culture due to migration history, language, or experiences as a minority. So cultural explanations can be applied.
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This is the dumbest thing ever. Rob says that white men having the highest per capita percentage of nonces in this country is not an issue as they are the majority.

Meaning you can't attribute the behaviour to white men because there's more of them and they nonce more than anyone else.

So here's the thing. A smaller percentage of Pakistani men are pedos than white men. In the UK.

That's the data.
 
LutonSpurs said:
This is the dumbest thing ever. Rob says that white men having the highest per capita percentage of nonces in this country is not an issue as they are the majority.

Meaning you can't attribute the behaviour to white men because there's more of them and they nonce more than anyone else.

So here's the thing. A smaller percentage of Pakistani men are pedos than white men. In the UK.

That's the data.
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Very clearly not what I said.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
He really isn’t.

I think a step back is needed here from everyone (myself included) as things are getting personal.
Things we all agree on : abuse of children is beyond the pale; abuse of girls and women of any age is beyond the pale; abuse of girls/women by Pakistani-led grooming gangs is beyond the pale; abuse of girls/women by any nationality/religion is beyond the pale;
Why are we even “debating” this?
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I'll step away at your request. Thanks Glenda.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
He really isn’t.

I think a step back is needed here from everyone (myself included) as things are getting personal.
Things we all agree on : abuse of children is beyond the pale; abuse of girls and women of any age is beyond the pale; abuse of girls/women by Pakistani-led grooming gangs is beyond the pale; abuse of girls/women by any nationality/religion is beyond the pale;
Why are we even “debating” this?
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Well that’s my point. It’s not about we have more groomers than you or whatever. There are victims here that need a voice. Call it how it is. I’m not offended if you feel offended if the facts are the facts
 
robp135 said:
Because that is not a fact.
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No that may be a demographic fact but the ratio of people and circumstances need to be looked at and not simply dismissed as a Pakistani problem or a British problem. I would like to think most people regardless of ethnicity or race are decent people. But when the facts present themselves let’s address it rather than tying to prove one thing over another.
 
Gazza said:
No that may be a demographic fact but the ratio of people and circumstances need to be looked at and not simply dismissed as a Pakistani problem or a British problem. I would like to think most people regardless of ethnicity or race are decent people. But when the facts present themselves let’s address it rather than tying to prove one thing over another.
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You can use figures to prove or disprove everything if they are not taken in the proper context.

But in this instance specifically we know the data is deeply flawed. Specific to UK crime stats on this, there is no specification about the time of sex crime which is being commited.

As an example, within the report that’s in the Sky article I posed it references “Owning and distributing images and videos of under 18’s” accounts for nearly 50% of offences in the report. That might be overwhelmingly White British or any other race/nationality. We don’t know because it’s not broken down.

This is where the grooming gangs comes in. The only bits of deliberatly incomplete research and reports we have on this show that Pakistani men massively over represent in this type of sex crime. In addition we know that within the communities these crimes happened most reports made to the police and social workers and were ignored and it went on for decades. We know the data is gonads.

Beyond that, when the reports were made the police did not ecord the ethnicity of many of the offenders. White men obviously commit these types of crimes. They may commit it to a higher per capita level.

But what does not happen is that it gets covered up and ignored out of concerns for stoking racial tensions or for fear of being labelled as racist. Thats what people have always been upset about.
 
I’ve been out most of the day so have only dipped into here occasionally but I think I need to read back on the whole day’s postings as I am really lost as to what is actually being discussed/debated here. Apart from Pakistani men have been the biggest contingent of sexual abuse offenders in rape gangs, which is accepted to a degree but needs to be qualified as to region/town but other than that I’ve totally lost the thread of what’s being argued. Hence my suggestion for a breather (not suggested as an admin, just as an observer and participant in the thread).
 
robp135 said:
As an example, within the report that’s in the Sky article I posed it references “Owning and distributing images and videos of under 18’s” accounts for nearly 50% of offences in the report. That might be overwhelmingly White British or any other race/nationality. We don’t know because it’s not broken down.
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OK. So group based nonces are mostly men but you didn't know what group based meant.

And now you are saying you find it flawed that a report on UK pedophiles includes people who distribute videos of child rape.

Got it.
 
Gazza said:
No that may be a demographic fact but the ratio of people and circumstances need to be looked at and not simply dismissed as a Pakistani problem or a British problem. I would like to think most people regardless of ethnicity or race are decent people. But when the facts present themselves let’s address it rather than tying to prove one thing over another.
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He doesn't like facts. Especially when it makes white people look bad.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I’ve been out most of the day so have only dipped into here occasionally but I think I need to read back on the whole day’s postings as I am really lost as to what is actually being discussed/debated here. Apart from Pakistani men have been the biggest contingent of sexual abuse offenders in rape gangs, which is accepted to a degree but needs to be qualified as to region/town but other than that I’ve totally lost the thread of what’s being argued. Hence my suggestion for a breather (not suggested as an admin, just as an observer and participant in the thread).
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We've got 2 people who can't seem to understand data or accept facts. Or avoid being racist to me.
 
robp135 said:
But what does not happen is that it gets covered up and ignored out of concerns for stoking racial tensions or for fear of being labelled as racist. Thats what people have always been upset about.
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You claimed this was police who covered it up due to fear of racism accusations. And you were told it wasn't true. Again you bring this to the table when it's unsubstantiated other than unnamed social workers.
 
LutonSpurs said:
You claimed this was police who covered it up due to fear of racism accusations. And you were told it wasn't true. Again you bring this to the table when it's unsubstantiated other than unnamed social workers.
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You cant even acknowledge the basics. I get it. Destroys your entire world view.
 
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